NYU’s
Conor Grennan shares ideas about how consumer-facing travel brands should be
capitalizing on this opportunity.
This story first appeared on Phocuswire
In the last year, New York University Stern School of
Business Dean of Students Conor Grennan has become a leading consultant and voice on social media regarding generative artificial intelligence.
Along with leading generative AI training for students and faculty at NYU
Stern, Grennan has worked with companies such as OpenAI, McKinsey, NASA, PwC
and more, and he is co-host of the “Applied AI” podcast.
In a discussion with PhocusWire, Grennan shared some thoughts on why travel is
one of the most obvious use cases for generative AI and how consumer facing
travel brands should be capitalizing on this opportunity. He also explained why
using the technology internally – for companies across any industry - is the
easiest way to gain a strategic advantage. The conversation has been edited for
clarity and brevity.
Phocuswire: Can you begin by sharing your thinking broadly
on generative AI?
Conor Grennan: It’s not a digital transformation. It’s a
change management thing.
There’s no learning curve to this. If you talk to it like a human, you’re going
to get phenomenal results. The problem is your brain doesn’t allow you to talk
to it like a human because your brain never talks to a computer screen like a
human.
Phocuswire: So, if I ask you, how should I be using ChatGPT,
you would say...?
Grennan: The problem with generative AI and the reason I
teach generative AI in the way I do is because teaching in terms of use cases
doesn’t really work.
The brain really craves use cases because the brain thrives
on pattern, prediction, automation, things like that. And on the pattern front
it needs to know what it is replacing. When the brain sees ChatGPT it thinks,
“I know what this is, this is like Google.” The same way if you see red glowing
metal you know not to touch. You don’t have to think about it, your brain
automates that.
The analogy I use is that it’s more like electricity than a use case. If you
were to go back in time and introduce electricity, people would say, how do you
use it? And if I just try to give you use cases for electricity, we’re never
going to get anywhere. But if I introduce a light bulb, people would know how to
use it. So, it’s sort of like electricity - generative AI allows you to do what
you are already doing but faster and better.
Phocuswire: One year ago, as it began to seem everyone was
talking about generative AI, there was so much speculation about how quickly
we’d have implementation and adoption. What’s your take on the speed of this?
Grennan: AI in terms of people searching for things, it is
going to happen fairly quickly. One of the few use cases that people
actually talk about with something like ChatGPT are travel plans. … It’s one of
the very few use cases I see over and over and over again. So people lock onto
it.

It’s not about use cases. It’s understanding what people in your company are already good at doing and then amplifying and augmenting that.
Conor Grennan
The thing that people go to right away is, hey I’m planning a trip. So they go
on ChatGPT and then “look how amazing this trip is.” If that’s getting into
sort of the zeitgeist, I think the adoption in travel is going to be much
quicker than the adoption around almost any other area of productivity.
But generally I don’t think adoption of generative AI is blindingly fast. To be
honest … it’s pretty slow. Or if people say they are using it - I don’t mean to
be condescending - they are using it, but they are just using it for small
things like email. It’s 2% of what they could be using it for.
Phocuswire: How broadly do you believe generative AI is
being used for business purposes?
Grennan: The statistics are overwhelming about how many
people are using generative AI – those statistics are wildly skewed. That is
slightly anecdotal, but you don’t have companies using generative AI in the way
you hear.
So, when you hear, “At Fortune 500 companies 80% of people are using generative
AI,” it’s just skewed. What’s happening is that OpenAI can track that here is
someone from company XYZ, I guess that company is using it. But those are
individuals, those aren’t companies with a company-wide strategy.
And even those people using it – they are just scratching the surface. Somebody
is emailing and writing a few things, and people think this is phenomenal.
Again, it’s not about use cases. It’s understanding what people in your company
are already good at doing and then amplifying and augmenting that. Tell me
what you do well. Tell me, marketing expert in travel, what moves the needle?
And then we can talk about how you are going to augment that.
Phocuswire: Speaking of marketing, one of the big questions
being asked in regard to travel is what happens to customer acquisition and
marketing strategy?
Grennan: When we think about how AI grabs information,
people will still be going to brands like Expedia and Kayak and all these
places to be planning trips for sure.
So first of all, you have to have AI built into your
platform. If people go into, for example, Expedia and find a phenomenal AI
experience, there’s not a lot of reason then to go [to ChatGPT or another
tool].
Remember plugins? Very early on [OpenAI co-founder and CEO] Sam Altman said I’m
not sure plugins are going to work … he said because I’m not sure there’s a
great product-market fit. He’s talking about his own product here. The reason
is I think people want GPT built into [the platforms they already use]. People
want to go to Kayak, for example, and have a GPT experience. Rather than go to
ChatGPT and request “now let’s use Kayak,” “now let’s use Turo.”

Nobody really knows what it’s going to look like in terms of SEO. Anyone that tells you they know, they don’t know.
Conor Grennan
So, I think number one is that you have to have a phenomenal natural language
experience in your platform. If companies can integrate it, that’s going to be
pretty powerful.
You already have the gold – the customer – just don’t lose them.
Phocuswire: And what about SEO in this new world of
generative AI-powered, fully query-driven search?
Grennan: Nobody really knows what it’s going to look like in
terms of SEO. Anyone that tells you they know, they don’t know. We’re all
guessing.
But I would position it as we are the brand that gives you a unique,
customized, tailored-to-you experience. That would be the push from me.
On pure, how do we get people coming to us - keywords are still going to be
important.
Generative AI works a little like Google. Carvana did this amazingly where they made a million different AI-generated, personalized, animated videos for everyone that bought a
car through them – it was incredible. So I think personalization, landing
pages, things like that that answer a specific query. I know people that are
creating literally 80,000 articles to address any and every question they can
answer – because you can do that now.
It’s not rocket since. But it becomes a numbers game. Can you make bespoke
content toward whatever people are asking for. That combined with once you
get them to you, then make sure it’s a great experience.
But don’t think of this as just a tool – because if you just come up with a
tool, it’s a commodity and everybody’s going to catch up.
Phocuswire: So, step one for a company is what?
Grennan: This is my soapbox - train your people. You hired
these people because they are good, now imagine augmenting them by 47% above
what they do. That’s a strategic advantage. When you get everybody in your
company thinking about this, then it’s not just a tool, you are giving everyone
in your entire company an Ironman suit to go after these things.
That’s why I push training so hard. Once you get that and
get everybody really understanding what this looks like – that’s something that
strategically is a differentiator and other companies will have a very hard
time following.
If you can amp up your internal operations, that will show. It’s like eating
healthier and then on the exterior you just look healthier, and you look great
in a bathing suit and all that kind of stuff. It’s what goes into your company.
If you want to really differentiate, you want to take the people you hired
because they are very good at what they do and imagine increasing how well they
do their job in terms of strategically, in terms of making decisions, in terms
of communicating, in terms of taking your non-value-add work down from 60% to
30% - which then leads to a lot more time for strategic planning.
This is phenomenal for strategic planning. The back burner things. Let’s
re-think this. You are now getting back 30% of everybody’s time to focus on
that, while everyone at other companies are fighting fires. Internal is way
more important than external. You have to do both, but when you are talking about
a long-term strategic advantage, that’s the differentiator.
Phocuswire: Finally, I’d like to get your take on AI agents.
Grennan: I think they are coming very fast, but nobody knows
what they will look like.
There’s the device called Rabbit – nobody knows how it works. I’m not sure of
the efficacy of it, but how they say it works is you start attaching your apps
to this – then it is pulling behind the scenes. Forget about SEO because your
generative AI search goes direct to a site anyway. I don’t know if it will go
that way, but even the thought of it might mean leaning in to this will be
amazing. If agents will have their trusted sources, then that’s what it will
be.
I’m not sure it will be a separate device. That future is so opaque, I don’t
think anybody knows what a new device will look like. I really don’t think
Rabbit is going to be it. I mean, our phone does everything already – why are
we talking about something new?
For sure we start with the software and doing it through your phone and then
maybe if a device comes out that’s way easier to use, maybe.